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Message par FeLeR » 01 novembre 2020, 06:57

+1

Je pense que chaque match de basket doit être vue comme si c'était le dernier :(

Le scénario de décembre semble illusoire au vue des courbes de nouvelles contaminations aux USA.
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Message par Sam D. » 01 novembre 2020, 15:09

Ca fait des mois que le nombre de décès par jour stagne aux USA... Les contaminations telles qu'elles sont proposées depuis des mois, ça ne veut pas dire grand chose, à part pour faire peur aux gens.
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Message par Doctor_answer » 01 novembre 2020, 15:19

Les contaminations sont liés au nombre croissant des personnes qui se font tester aussi.
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Message par Rhea » 01 novembre 2020, 22:10

Sam D. a écrit :
01 novembre 2020, 15:09
Ca fait des mois que le nombre de décès par jour stagne aux USA... Les contaminations telles qu'elles sont proposées depuis des mois, ça ne veut pas dire grand chose, à part pour faire peur aux gens.
Depuis que c'est le gouvernement qui a repris la main sur les chiffres plutôt que le CDC. Je me baserais pas sur ces chiffres, ils sont clairement bidonnes
Thats your opinion. But opinion is just a combination of Pi and Onion, and since no one likes maths and onions make you cry, your argument is invalid.

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Message par FeLeR » 02 novembre 2020, 06:43

Rien qu'avec la nuance de contaminé sans symptômes/malade instaure une confusion :S

Et aussi en passant, pour la G-League ? des nouvelles ou pas ?
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Message par marmite » 03 novembre 2020, 09:58

On a conference call with the league's general managers on Monday, NBA commissioner Adam Silver told the top team basketball executives that "time is running out" on the possibility of starting the 2020-21 season prior to Christmas Day and potentially salvaging hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, sources told ESPN.

Discussions with the National Basketball Players Association continued over the weekend and into Monday, but the union's reluctance to agree to a Dec. 22 start and a reduced 72-game regular season has left the league fearful it has only several days left before opening training camps around Dec. 1 for a pre-Christmas tip is no longer a realistic possibility, sources said.

Optimism still exists that an agreement can be reached on the pre-Christmas start, but it has been tempered in recent days, sources said. NBPA executive director Michele Roberts and union leadership have been talking directly with players about starting the season so quickly after a mid-October finish to the Finals in the Orlando, Florida, bubble, and so far have expressed a preference for a mid-January start to the season. The NBA believes there is somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion in revenue losses next season and beyond by failing to start the season in December, sources said.

The NBA has pushed back to Friday a deadline that keeps open the option of terminating the collective bargaining agreement, which would essentially blow up the league's financial structure that allows for a 50-50 split of basketball related income (BRI) under the provisions of the CBA. Because of the coronavirus pandemic triggering a force majeure clause in the CBA, both sides have the option of serving notice of 45 days on terminating the agreement, sources said.

The NBA is searching for ways to increase cash flow into teams, and sources said the league is hopeful to expand guidelines on sports betting, hard alcohol and casinos that could generate between $80 million and $100 million in revenue, sources said.

NBA and NBPA talks continue to include the likelihood of a play-in tournament for both the Eastern and Western Conference playoffs, a mechanism designed to incentivize more teams to aggressively pursue the late season competitively -- and an avenue for the league, players and television partners to create more lucrative revenue streams, sources said.

The play-in tournament proposal has coalesced around the structure ESPN first reported was gaining traction in early 2018: a four-team tournament among the Nos. 7, 8, 9 and 10 seeds for the final two playoff spots in each conference.

The tournament would begin with No. 7 hosting No. 8, and the winner locking into the No. 7 spot. Meanwhile, No. 9 would face No. 10, with the winner advancing to play the loser of the 7-versus-8 matchup for the No. 8 seed, sources have told ESPN.

That setup gives the teams who finish the regular season seventh and eighth two chances to secure a postseason berth. The Nos. 9 and 10 teams would have to win twice -- without losing -- in order to snare one of those two spots.

The NBA debuted a version of the play-in tournament as part of its season restart in Orlando. It included a standings trigger; the No. 9 seed had to be within four games of the No. 8 seed to qualify for a play-in tournament. The Washington Wizards, who entered the Orlando restart in the No. 9 spot in the Eastern Conference, went 1-7 and failed to trigger the play-in.

The success of that format led to speculation the NBA would add a standings trigger to the play-in proposal for standard seasons. The Dallas Mavericks, the No. 7 seeds in the West in 2019-20, finished 7½ games ahead of the No. 8 team -- leading league insiders to wonder if it would be fair to include a No. 7 seed with such a huge cushion in the proposed 7-10 play-in.

To date, the league's 7-10 proposal has not been tweaked to include any standings trigger, sources told ESPN. The play-in tournament is meant to be a money-generating media property. Reducing the number of teams from four to three would reduce the number of games, and thus the overall revenue generated by the tournament, sources said.

It is possible some teams might agitate for some standings-based tweaks as the general framework for the 2020-21 comes up to a vote. Significant gaps remain between the NBA and NBPA on how the league will account for reductions in players' salaries given the significant financial losses for 2019-20 and steeper projections of losses next year, sources said.

The NBA and NBPA have discussed significant rises in the escrow withholding on players' salaries to account for the severe losses in league revenue during the pandemic. The sides have discussed spreading out the players' losses over multiple seasons -- perhaps as many as three years -- so the players don't take such a substantial financial hit in one year, sources said. To that end, the league's salary cap and luxury tax would need to be set over the next three years, sources said.

The NBA and NBPA split the BRI, and the league recently told teams that 40% of that revenue could be lost without gate receipts this season, sources said. The NBA's BRI revenue was down $1.5 billion for the 2019-20 season, according to data provided to teams and obtained by ESPN.

Most NBA cities are still unable to have public gatherings of more than 500 people. The NBA plans to start the season without fans in the arenas -- with little confidence they'll be able to return anytime early in the season as a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic spreads across the United States.

A mid-January start, around Martin Luther King Jr. Day, would take the league past the July Summer Olympics and into the summer months when the league fears television ratings would plummet. The NBA is estimating significant financial turmoil if the league has to compete with the Summer Olympics for television ratings in July and then be forced to affect the return to a traditional NBA calendar for the 2021-22 season.

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Message par MintBerryCrunch » 03 novembre 2020, 10:02

Pour le Play-in j'aime bien, ca fait compter la SR mais ca permettrait aussi de mettre a l epreuve les equipes qui peuvent potentiellement aller en POs. Comme ca si le 7/8eme a un gros blessé par exemple et que le 9ème au contraire est enfin au complet et joue son meilleur basket, on aurait cette équipe plutôt que l autre ce que je trouve intéressant.
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Message par Easy » 03 novembre 2020, 11:45

J'aimerai beaucoup avoir l'expérience moyenne en NBA par saison, savez vous où je peux trouver cette stat ?
En effet j'ai l'impression que les joueurs ont de moins en moins d'expérience, j'aimerai ainsi voir si c'est une impression faussée ou réelle.
Étrangement mon autre impression est que les joueurs jouent plus longtemps.
C'est vraiment la "classe moyenne" qui me semble plus mince.
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Message par Rhea » 03 novembre 2020, 13:52

Tu dois pouvoir récupérer ça équipe par équipe sur basketball reference non?
Thats your opinion. But opinion is just a combination of Pi and Onion, and since no one likes maths and onions make you cry, your argument is invalid.

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Message par Easy » 03 novembre 2020, 14:12

Ouais mais je veux toute la ligue
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Message par Rhea » 03 novembre 2020, 14:35

Ca je saurais pas te dire, mais en récupérant équipe par équipe, tu peux recalculer à la mano ensuite au pire
Thats your opinion. But opinion is just a combination of Pi and Onion, and since no one likes maths and onions make you cry, your argument is invalid.

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Message par Garcy22 » 03 novembre 2020, 16:19

En perdant Vince Carter et ses 22 saisons au compteur, cela risque de mettre un coup à la moyenne
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Message par Garcy22 » 05 novembre 2020, 06:49

C'est donc parti pour 72 matchs, un ASG et un Play-in pour les PO.

La saison se terminera avant les JO et cela permettra de se recaler sur un calendrier normal a partur de la saison prochaine
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Message par trigg of Oz » 05 novembre 2020, 08:30

Parfait tout ça! Espérons quand même que la situation sanitaire américaine s'améliore rapidement.
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Message par marmite » 05 novembre 2020, 09:05

Et donc a priori on partirait sur un escrow de 18% sur les deux saisons à venir afin d'étaler les pertes.

If we're looking at BOTH (A) a straight 72/82 proration of all salaries AND (B) an 18% escrow from that prorated amount, then it looks like all player salaries in 2020-21 will likely end up being 72% of their stated cap figures. Or something like that.

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The split of NBA revenue between teams and players is pre-determined. I assume this deal doesn’t change that... For teams, it means delayed receipt of funds. For players, it means delayed payment of funds (and a possible reallocation of payment obligations among players).

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Message par SylvesterTemple » 05 novembre 2020, 15:37

Source ? :happy1:
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Message par marmite » 05 novembre 2020, 15:38

Aucune info, que des suppositions, des opinions et du conditionnel. :langue2:

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Message par FeLeR » 05 novembre 2020, 15:41

Est-ce que cela inclut aussi les pertes pour la saison à venir (pas de spectateur) ?
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Message par marmite » 05 novembre 2020, 15:54

The league recently told teams that 40% of basketball-related income could be lost without gate receipts this season, sources said.
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Message par SylvesterTemple » 05 novembre 2020, 15:55

Voilà, c'est bien mieux :hehe:

Non mais en plus c'était une vraie question en plus d'être un gentil troll.
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Message par marmite » 05 novembre 2020, 15:59

The NBA's board of governors and players' association will hold separate meetings on Thursday expected to culminate with an agreement on starting the 2020-21 season on Dec. 22 and playing a reduced 72-game schedule, sources told ESPN.

The National Basketball Players Association is planning to take a formal vote of the team player representatives late Thursday, and sources told ESPN that everything is progressing toward an agreement on a pre-Christmas start to the season. The NBPA is holding team conference calls this week, including several on Wednesday, that detail discussions with the league on a salary escrow for players in the range of 18% for the next two years, sources told ESPN.

Sources say the team representatives are expected to approve the agreement.

The league and players are still negotiating that escrow figure, sources said.


NBA commissioner Adam Silver and the board of governors are awaiting a formal acceptance on the Dec. 22 date, and both sides expect that'll happen this week, sources said.

Organizations and players are proceeding with the urgency of a quick turnaround to the start of the season, including the Nov. 18 NBA draft, free agency and training camps starting on Dec. 1, sources said. Once an agreement is reached, the league will lift a moratorium and reopen the league for business on trades before the draft.

The league believes that a Dec. 22 start that includes Christmas Day games on television and allows for a 72-game schedule that finishes before the Summer Olympics in mid-July is worth between $500 million and $1 billion in short- and long-term revenues to the league and players, sources said.

The NBA and NBPA have discussed significant rises in the escrow withholding on players' salaries to account for the severe losses in league revenue during the COVID-19 pandemic. The sides are working toward spreading out the players' losses over multiple seasons, so the players don't take such a substantial financial hit in one year.

The NBA has pushed back a deadline to Friday that keeps open the option of terminating the collective bargaining agreement, which would essentially blow up the league's financial structure that allows for a 50/50 split of basketball-related income under the provisions of the CBA. Because of the pandemic triggering a force majeure clause in the CBA, both sides have the option of serving notice of 45 days on terminating the agreement, sources said.

The league recently told teams that 40% of basketball-related income could be lost without gate receipts this season, sources said. The NBA's basketball-related income was down $1.5 billion last season, according to data provided to teams and obtained by ESPN.

Most NBA cities are still unable to have public gatherings of more than 500 people. The NBA plans to start the season without fans in the arenas -- with little confidence that they'll be able to return anytime early in the season as a second wave of the coronavirus pandemic spreads across the country.

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Message par toniooooo » 05 novembre 2020, 19:55

Si Kita vend le FC Nantes a un repreneur fiable, je m'épile les dessous de bras et le torse.

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Message par marmite » 06 novembre 2020, 08:26

Bon, c'est bon, la NBPA a voté pour un début de saison le 22/12 avec 72 matchs. Il y a encore des choses à négocier comme l'escrow (on parle de 17-18%), et plusieurs membres du syndicat des joueurs ont exprimé un souhait que des équipes ont déjà exprimé par le passé : mettre le début de la FA avant la date de la draft. Visiblement ça ne sera pas pour cette année. En tout cas les TC devraient commencer au 1er décembre et la NBA devrait lever prochainement son moratoire, lançant de facto la saison des trades. Shams parle du 16 novembre comme date.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/302 ... lar-season

Et Zach Lowe dans son dernier article indique qu'on devrait voir des équipes trader des 1sts contre du cash (et un second tour obligatoire) en raison des incertitudes financières.

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Message par AsapEagle » 06 novembre 2020, 08:33

marmite a écrit :
06 novembre 2020, 08:26
Et Zach Lowe dans son dernier article indique qu'on devrait voir des équipes trader des 1sts contre du cash (et un second tour obligatoire) en raison des incertitudes financières.
J'avais déjà lu ça pendant la bulle d'ailleurs. Je me demande quelles équipes vont faire ça.